Q1-promoters: missing jewel

[sobnerv]

I spent some quality time studying payplan and I have certain concerns about the Q1 level.

If you are a promoter you have one time fee of 299 USD/GBP/EUR. OK, so a promoter will pay this one time fee and earn some percentage of rake. That's about 10-15% of total that the players who were registered under you have wagered. Fine, if you have your audience and your players, you will eventually pay off that fee and start earning.

Now,what would happen if thispromoter were to become an associate? He would be paying 65 USD/GBP/EUR montly fee. What does he get in return??? Nothing! If he isnot able to sponsor 3 associates in downline or has no associates at all, he would still be paying montly for nothing(in long term).

Yes, I know there is instant bonus for an associate that you sponsored, but then, this new associate will have the same problem. Conclusion is that there is no economic reason to be Q1.

Now we are gettingto another, more globaly covered problem. If we do a little math, we come to a number of at least 50% Q1s of all QXs network. Without them, there is no Q2s or higher levels.

I am afraid of a situation where those Q1s would start realising that they have no useof being Q1 (except for the montly fees) and would start deactivating or would become promoters (which is the same thing, from the perspective of their uplines, as uplines build their status and additionaly earn from downline ASSOCIATES only).

Now, Q2s will lose ther Q2 status and become Q1, and thecycle would repeat all over again.

The mayor problem is that the jewel link between Q1 and promoters is missing. Q1s need to have some earnings from promoters in order to keep them active, otherwise I see no reason for one to be a Q1.
I would like to humbly suggest the following to uVme headquaters (I can not reach them directly); and that is to have Q1s earn some commission from promoters also, not only from associates. This will keep Q1s interested in paying montly fee if they manage to have several promoters and no (or 1 to 2) associates.

[syndicateworld]

That's a very well-considered out post, my friend. It's certainly made me stop and think.

Is it true then that if I (as an associate) sponsor someone who becomes a games promoter, I get nothing? No generation-based share of the game rake? I hadn't thought about that side of it.

You're also right in your concerns about there being no benefit to being a Q1 unless you can rise to Q2. It's giving me a mental picture of an avalanche tumbling down a mountain, with everyone sliding down a level. But don't forget, the people higher up the Q levels, with more to lose, are going to do everything in their power to help their Q1s become Q2s to prevent just the kind of situation that you describe.

But it has made me realise that there's going to be a constant pressure to keep on recruiting and bringing in new associates. Am I getting confused or is it correct that without any Q1s the whole structure crumbles?

Just when I think I'm starting to understand the payplan, something happens to send my head spinning again!!

[Affhouse]

Originally Posted by sobnerv

If you are a promoter you have one time fee of 299 USD/GBP/EUR. .

The fee is 200 USD/GBP/EUR,


However I take your point and I think that lots of people are only going to join as gamepromoters for the first few months just to test the waters.

Of course if you work with your team to help build it then the drop out rate from associate to promoter wont be as big.

But I completely agree that I think its going to be really tough trying to convince somebody to join as an associate and I think the FastStart Bonus is a complete red herring.

[Affhouse]

Originally Posted by syndicateworld

Is it true then that if I (as an associate) sponsor someone who becomes a games promoter, I get nothing? No generation-based share of the game rake? I hadn't thought about that side of it.

What I envisage though is one associate having several promoters under them. So of course you would get something from their players.

Eventually a few players will then join under them as promoters and this could eventually encourage the promoters under you to finally become associates.

[sobnerv]

Originally Posted by Gwhaskew

What I envisage though is one associate having several promoters under them. So of course you would get something from their players.

Eventually a few players will then join under them as promoters and this could eventually encourage the promoters under you to finally become associates.

As per payplan, "Generation Bonus" pays you trough 7 generations of yourn ASSOCIATES turnover. There is no promoters mentioned again.

[syndicateworld]

Originally Posted by sobnerv

As per payplan, "Generation Bonus" pays you trough 7 generations of yourn ASSOCIATES turnover. There is no promoters mentioned again.

Please - can we have a leader to clarify this as I suspect Sobnerv may be right. And I have been blithely telling people with no network marketing experience or interest that they can always become game promoters if they have no interest in helping build a team.

Have I shot myself in the foot?

[sobnerv]

Originally Posted by syndicateworld

But it has made me realise that there's going to be a constant pressure to keep on recruiting and bringing in new associates. Am I getting confused or is it correct that without any Q1s the whole structure crumbles?

Yes, it will be a pressure. And if you think indivdually, your thoughs will end up like "I have to have three Q1" and im fine".

But if you look globaly, there would always, in every moment at least 50% of Q1.

In long terms, there is no desing (yet) in this structure for steady and stable network. I am desparet to find a sentence that will keep Q1 prolonge his active status, even though he cant see a chance to become Q2.

[syndicateworld]

Originally Posted by sobnerv

I am desparet to find a sentence that will keep Q1 prolonge his active status, even though he cant see a chance to become Q2.

Here's a sentence for you (3 in fact!!):

"Dear Q1, here are 2 new associates I have personally sponsored for you. Please take them with my compliments. I have also today set up a Google Adwords campaign pointing to your website so I hope to have your 3rd associate for you very soon. I am here to serve you dear Q1, I will do everything in my power to help you - please don't leave me!!"

[Mandy]

Perhaps this question can be asked at the online conference tonight
hosted by Mark Davis from Marketing, from 7pm UK time in the questions and answers after the conference

vwdconferenceroom.co.uk

[Affhouse]

Originally Posted by sobnerv

As per payplan, "Generation Bonus" pays you trough 7 generations of yourn ASSOCIATES turnover. There is no promoters mentioned again.

I'm not sure what you mean here.

If you are a promoter you only earn from game fees from people you introduce.

You can only unlock the payplan by becoming an associate.